Radio Drama Sidecar 001
  • EugeneEugene April 2011
    A few weeks ago, Simon and I, while discussing the final episode of Sapphire & Steel drifted off-topic for a while, which didn't make the cut for the final episode, but I did want people to know about Big Finish audio's Sapphire & Steel adventures and also to discuss the disparity between the US and the UK when it comes to radio adaptations.
  • EugeneEugene April 2011
    The problem with the sidecars is that they evolve naturally out of the conversation, and are often even more extemporaneous than the rest of our content.

    During the episode, I speculated that the UK's train culture may have something to do with the continued popularity of radio drama in the UK, which nearly dead in the US.  I think that was too simplistic.

    Instead, I'll take the internet way out and blame Hitler instead. :-)

    I'm still going to wing this without proper research, but consider...  television broadcasting began in both the US and the UK prior to WWII.  It was suspended entirely in Britain upon the onset of the war, and curtailed significantly immediately after the war.

    The post war years, though, were the beginning of a boom for the US, but war recovery slowed Britain down.  During this time, the US rushed to the suburbs, embraced the automobile and the corresponding fundamental change in lifestyle that it brought and began the long march of television's dominance.

    Television has often been called "radio with pictures" and nowhere is it more obvious than if you look at the list of early television programs in the US.  A majority of them are television versions of original radio programs.

    The post-war affluence fueled the demand for TVs, and the demand for content on the TV consumed all the programs that had been on radio...  radio never recovered in the US.

    Look, for example, in the Wikipedia list of US radio programs by decade.  1950's 196 different program/series, in the 1960's just 21.  It's not gone anywhere but down since then.
  • SimonSimon May 2011
    Interesting take that the demand for TV content consumed all the programmes. Of course, whether they're the same programmes or not, if all the talent is drained away, radio will die just as surely.

    So I wondered how many TV channels you had in the '60s? In the UK we had two at the start of the decade, with a third (BBC2) being launched in 1964. By contrast we still had two national radio stations broadcasting a relatively high number of comedies and dramas up to the reorganisation in 1967 and I believe radio 2 may have continued to have had more speech based content back then than now when it is predominantly music-based.

    Your comment has led me to speculate that the health of our radio may have been in part due to the constraints on the growth, early on, of our television.
  • EugeneEugene May 2011
    Geography of the US plays a distinct part in the history of our technological advancement.  Let's face it, the US is a massive chunk of land to handle cohesively, and we have a historical tendency towards de-centralizing.

    It's safe to say that your "channels" roughly equate to our "networks" but because of geography, they're not quite the same.  The networks are formal affiliations between semi-independent local television stations (although it's not uncommon for a network to own a local station)

    The local stations re-broadcast the network feed and add their own programming.

    Typically, the networks produced a certain number of hours of television programming per day, the prime stuff for the evenings and then daytime televisions largely aimed at housewives (the soaps and game shows)  The rest of the schedule had to be filled in by the local stations, which either produced local programs (news, kids programs, etc) or filled in with old movies or syndicated earlier TV programs (both network series, like Star Trek or Lost in Space or made-for-syndication programs like The Adventures of Superman.)  These programs filled the afternoon and late-night times.

    The local stations largely used all network programming fed to them, but in some cases would drop whole series or individual episodes if they deemed them offensive to the local community.  Programs that dealt with civil rights issues might be dropped in the south, for example.  The episode of Star Trek where Kirk kisses Uhura apparently got dropped in a few places.

    In the 60's there were 3 main networks, CBS, NBC and ABC.  DuMont had been the fourth network, but had died in the 1950's.  There was also the National Education Television network, which was the precursor to our sadly-underfunded PBS network today.

    Many cities would have one station for each network, plus one or more completely local stations.  Usually the NET (now PBS stations) were run by local universities.

    Certainly TV dried up the talent pool for radio, but I suspect there was a little more.  People (and I don't mean this in a conspiracy way) - powerful people - wanted to sell televisions, and if your favorite radio show moved to TV or your favorite radio personality moved to TV, you were being encouraged to buy a TV and join the modern, affluent lifestyle that TV was being used to represent.  Radio was a sacrificial lamb.

    I suspect that the BBC, being not driven by traditional market forces probably managed to keep the radio art form alive simply because they were broadcasting in the public interest rather than from purely capitalistic reasons.

    That's not to say I don't think UK TV was influenced by market forces.  Obviously, you do have commercial channels and they were making programs, like the Avengers, the Prisoner, the Saint, UFO and a whole raft of others that were being sold to all those local stations in the US to fill up their afternoon and weekend schedules.  That's where I was introduced to and fell in love with all those shows - local syndicated reruns, and I know that these programs were sometimes changed/targeted for that market.

    But despite that, the BBC leads the way in the UK and our (sadly pathetic) PBS is perpetually the also-ran in the US, and I think that complete opposite nature of our markets and broadcast systems tells us why radio is effectively dead in the US.
  • TalonTalon June 2011

    it's been a while since this sidecar aired but I have been thinking abiut it quite often since. When I was growing up in W Mass, I discovered a radio station that was airing old episodes of CBS's Mystery Theater late at night. I'd tune in and listen in the dark as I lay in bed, fascinated by the stories. Unfortunately the airings stopped and I soon discovered that nothing was out there to replace them. I hadn't thought much about them until I found Fusion Patrol and began listening to the podcasts.

    The first podcast I heard was a review of the Starlost pilot. In that review I heard Eugen and Ben mention a similarity between the shows plot and one of Heinlein's first works, Universe. Afterwards I did some research and I discovered the X-Minus One podcast. These were actually recordings of the orignal radio show of them same name. The first one I listened to was Universe. Afterwards I downloaded every single one and I often listen to them while waiting for the next Fusion Patrol podcast.

    While I listen I realize that when I'm done with theses episode there won't be anymore and I often wonder why. A few interesting points were brought up about that fact in this sidecar that I hadn't realized. As Eugene said, after WWII the television began moving in and eventually displaced radio as a source of drama and other shows. But why?

    I agree that geography had a role to play,but I offer a different observation. The U.S. was a vast radio market, but so too was the UK, even more so. The U.S. market, up through the war had literllaly thousands of sations serving many small markets. Also, stations wern't limited as much as they are now on there broadcast power. You could listen too some stations broadcasting from just about anywhere in the country. Gradually the broadcast affiliates were born, primarilly NBC and CBS, who provideed news and entertainment programs. As they grew so did there competiton. That compettion led them to seek other mediums, namely television.

    In the UK, the geography didn't span a single continent but several as the empire reached out to a population across the globe. In addition, only one entity reigned over this competion free market, the BBC. In addition to econmic factors following the war that stemmed the spread of TV in the UK the same enormous geographic factor played a role as well. It was much cheaper and efficient to broadcast radio across the empire than it was to build the infrastructure to support global televison broadcasts. I believe this last factor played a pivitoal role in the longer life of radio in the UK more than any other.

    It's sad that the radio drama is dead in the US. Many science fictions greats found a young audience through radio in the early days. Tonight I listened to an adaption of Rad Bradbury's "Nightfall'. I have never read the book, but on my next trip to the library I'll be sure to look for it.

  • TalonTalon June 2011
    Ok, embarassing. I did of course mean Asimov's Nightfall not Bradbury! It was late and I was tired.

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